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Dr. Ted Bestor

Bringing Home the Sushi: Food as a way of understanding each other's livelihoods

Interview with Theodore C. Bestor
Professor
Department of Anthropology and Reischauer Institute for Japanese Studies
Chair of the Social Anthropology Wing, Department of Anthropology
Harvard University

By Norma Sakamoto-Larzalere
October 28, 2004

 

Theodore C. Bestor is Professor of Anthropology and Japanese Studies at Harvard University, and is past president of the American Anthropological Association’s East Asian Studies Section and the Society for Urban Anthropology. His many publications include: “Neighborhood Tokyo” (1989),” Doing Fieldwork in Japan” (co-editor, 2003), and his most recent, “Tsukiji: The Fish Market at the Center of the World” (2004). His current research looks at the development of Japanese food culture and his ongoing project on “Global Sushi” examines the “global reach” of Japanese seafood markets, their impact on markets and fish industries, and the popularity of sushi and other types of Japanese foods..

1. Background

2. Neighborhood Tokyo: Miyamoto-cho

3. Tokyo's Tsukiji: The Fish Market at the Center of the World

Discovering Tsukiji

4. Japanese Food Culture: Looking at Sushi as a Japanese Food and Icon

5. Issues of Food Safety and Hygiene

6. Lessons to be Learned from the Field: Linking Kansas with Japan

7. Concluding Thoughts

Tokyo's Tsukiji: The Fish Market at the Center of the World

Discovering Tsukiji

L: Then, how did you go from Miyamoto-chô to Tsukiji?

B: Well--it's a sort of complicated chain of direction. When I was studying Miyamoto-chô and interested in the neighborhood and the social glue that kept it together, it was clear from that research, the most important actors in the neighborhood were, by and large, local business people. Which makes sense--if you've got a shop, you not only have an interest not just because they're your neighbors but they're also your customers. So you are interacting with them in a different way. And this other neighborhood becomes important to you for your business as well as for your own personal satisfaction.

So, I became aware very quickly of the central role of that the small family businesses played in this community. But at the time because of the friction between the U.S. and Japan, one of the big complaints, one of the big issues, that kept coming up in the press and the colleges and so forth, was that small family firms were a trade barrier. That they were part of this complicated distribution system which allegedly discriminated against foreign products. Specifically, U.S. [products].

And, of course, there were resistances to importing American beef and other American agricultural products. There were lots of explanations and issues involved but one of them was always--Japan needs to modernize its retail sector--get rid of all these small family businesses, modernize and enable globalization of markets to be fixed.

And I looked at that and thought, first of all for Americans to say to Japan—“You've got to get rid of all these family businesses”—it would be like if Japanese came to Kansas and said, "Get rid of the family farm."

You're trampling on very sacred ground of these institutions. So, first of all, family-owned businesses and companies are important in Japan. Not only for their economic role [but also] because of their connections to communities.

Then I said, "Let's look at them in an economic light." I began getting interested in distribution systems and I wanted to figure out a way to look at how small family businesses were in some kind of wholesale/retail relationship. How did they actually interact? How did kinship, how did family ties shape their businesses? How did other community ties shape their businesses.

So, I went back to Tokyo with an idea of looking at the distribution system in small family firms. But I very quickly realized when I was doing that research that it's just too broad a topic. There were too many firms, too many kinds of businesses. I needed to focus on something--so I decided to focus on the distribution of food. Since food is after all something that everybody is interested in--rich people, poor people--everyone consumes [food] and [it] is sold everywhere.

But then, food is also too broad a topic--there are too many kinds of foods, too many kinds of businesses. So I surveyed different parts of the Japanese business world to find a place where I could really look at an integrated set of companies. And to understand the transactions among them, not just the economic transactions, but the social ties and social networks as well.

And someone again--the good luck of people giving me suggestions--someone said, "Oh, you should go to Tsukiji, the fish market. There are lots of family businesses there." And of course, it's also a fish market so [it involved] distribution, wholesale/retail, and so forth.

I thought that was an interesting idea and would take a look. I didn't really expect it to become the focus of my research. But I was there and interviewing somebody who was giving me an overview of the history of the marketplace and suddenly a light bulb went off in the back of my head and I thought, "Wait a minute, this is the place to look at this since there are thousands of businesses.”

L: It's like an epiphany.

B: Exactly. I thought—“Oh my God, how could I miss this!” For the first time, I suddenly realized, as I was talking to this guy, that markets themselves were these incredibly interesting social institutions that have histories all their own.

So, the more I got into studying Tsukiji, the less my focus became the family businesses themselves. I'm still interested in family businesses but more the overall structure of the marketplace. And that, of course, also led me to the realization that I was interviewing people about their businesses in the fish market. And I had to know something about fish. I had to know something about the products they were dealing with. Otherwise, my questions were meaningless. And if I didn't know the difference between octopus and tuna, it would be a big problem. Of course, not just knowing the difference between an octopus and a tuna, but also learning how tuna is used in some ways in Japanese food culture and octopus is used in others.

So, I had to learn about the fishing side of things--where these fish are caught, how they are caught and how they are handled. But also where they go. Why are the people buying this kind of fish? So, very quickly where I thought I was narrowing my topic down, very quickly it blossomed out into this worldwide trade in fish.

Next: Tokyo's Tsukiji, cont: Globalization