|
Professor
Emiko Ohnuki-Tierney is a William F. Vilas Research
Professor of Anthropology at the University of Wisconsin-Madison.
An expert in the social, cultural, and symbolic anthropology
of Japan, she earned her Ph.D. from the University of
Wisconsin-Madison. She is the author of 12 books in
English and Japanese, including “Illness and Culture
in Contemporary Japan: An Anthropological View”
(1984), “The Monkey as Mirror: Symbolic Transformations
in Japanese History and Ritual” (1987), “Rice
as Self: Japanese Identities Through Time” (1993),
and “Kamikaze, Cherry Blossoms, and Nationalisms:
the Militarization of Aesthetics in Japanese History”
(2002). Professor Ohnuki-Tierney has been awarded the
Guggenheim, National Endowment for the Humanities, and
Japan Foundation fellowships, and is a fellow of the
American Academy of Arts and Sciences.
1.
Background
2.
Significance of Rice and other Foods in Japan
3.
Concept of Nature and what is Natural in Japanese Foods
4.
Food Safety in Japan
5.
McDonald’s and Changing Table Manners in Japan
6. Globalism and
the Japan/United States Food Market
7. Concluding
Thoughts
L: I thought we'd start with a discussion about rice--the
significance of rice--and you've written a wonderful
book called, "The Rice as Self"—in it
you talk about how rice is related to the Japanese concept
of self.
OT: Yes—
L: I thought we'd first go back to ancient Japan--how
was rice viewed?
OT: Well, I was doing research about marginalized
people in Japan--the Ainu minority. And then I did research
on the monkey itself. Initially I had only wanted to
do research on the monkey until I realized the monkey
trainers were formerly hisabetsu burakumin [the community
settlers "under discrimination"]. And so the
rice was my attempt to understand the so-called dominant
Japanese. I think the creation of minorities was the
flipside of the development of the agrarian culture.
In ancient Japan, rice was introduced from
the Asian continent and became the food of the elite.
So even during the modernizing period, government and
industry wanted to attract women from rural Japan. They
told them they could provide the women--rice--three
times a day. So I realized, throughout Japan until very
recently, rice was prestige food confined to the elite
and that farmers were rice producers, not the consumers.
And so it's only a recent phenomenon--yet the
Japanese talk now about Japanese rice--they believe
in this. But in fact, Japanese agriculture was very
exceptional in that there were no national seed distributors
in Japan. Rice was reproduced by the local farmers from
their old seeds, last year's seeds [planting homegrown
seeds].
L: Could you tell us about the mythologies of ancient
Japan and how these are related to rice--how rice came
to be sacred and deified? In particular, you've written
about the stories about Amaterasu [the Sun Goddess and
imperial ancestress] and other deities.
OT: There are many versions of the myth--but
one version is that the grandson [Ninigi-no Mikoto]
of the Sun Goddess, Amaterasu Ômikami, delegated
to him to bring down [the rice grains] from Takamagahara
[Heaven], where the original rice was grown. So the
origin myth of Japan is about how the grandson of Amaterasu
transformed a wilderness [Japan] into a land of succulent
rice crops, in contrast to the origin myth of other
peoples that are creation myths.
L: In your book, "Rice as Self," you write
that rice is mentioned in the first written chronicles,
the “Kojiki"[712 A.D.] and the "Nihonshoki,”[720
A.D.].
OT: Yes, that's right. There is some controversy
among scholars, but they believe the "Ta-no-Kami,"
the Deity of Rice Paddies, came from the mountains.
The mountains were the most sacred place in the Japanese
universe, or at least in the agrarian cosmology. So
the Mountain Deity [Yama-no-Kami] became the Deity of
Rice Paddies. The [Mountain] Deity came down to the
rice paddies [and lodged] on the petals of the cherry
blossoms to look after agricultural production. So the
farmers planted rice at the time of cherry blossoms.
And if you had gorgeous cherry blossoms, it forecast
a good rice crop in the fall. Cherry blossoms were the
spring counterpart of rice.
L: And that's why farmers planted cherry trees around
the rice paddies. It's an interesting connection between
cherry blossoms and rice.
OT: Yes--the cherry trees used to be only in
the mountains—it was only later on when the farmers
wanted to have their own cherry blossoms that they planted
[the trees] in sato, the people's villages.
L: With that of course comes the cherry blossoms--what
is the significance of the blossoms?
OT: Yes, the cherry blossoms were assigned
with the power to expel evil spirits. So the flower
festivals were all to expel evil spirits that cause
epidemics and all negative phenomena, by the vitality
of the flower. And so I spent a great deal of time following
those flower festivals at the beginning of my research.
L: It must have been a lot of fun!
OT: Yes, yes--going around Kyoto—
L: During the flower festivals, didn't people pray
for the cherry blossom petals to last as long as possible?
OT: Yes, that's right. Like the Yasurai Matsuri—which
means to rest and stay as long as possible.
L: To ensure a good crop and long season?
OT: Yes, and in this one festival, the Yasurai
Matsuri, a prayer for the cherry blossoms to stay long
was written on a fan and paraded at the festival.
L: You also wrote about the etymology of the cherry
blossom--sakura. The sa and kura. Sa means?
OT: The sa [namely, the Deity of Rice Paddies]
etymology is the same as in fortune and all auspicious
things. Kura means the seat of the spirit of the deity.
Kura means seat, for example, the leather equipment
on a horse.
L: Sa also in used in the word sake [rice wine]?
OT: Yes.
L: It's interesting that sa signifies prosperity. And
with rice being a significant symbol, among other symbols
such as cherry blossoms as you talked about in your
presentation last night, how is rice a symbol of an
"unchanging Japan"? You had written about
rice weathering the storm of westernization, urbanization,
and modernization. What do the rice paddies represent?
OT: Nationalism so to speak--we have to distinguish
between cultural nationalism and political nationalism.
But in both cases, whether it's in Germany or Japan,
they construct a primordial self. And so here we have
a reflection of the dominant agrarian culture providing
the primordial self of the Japanese--which they find
in rice agriculture. It's like when Mao Zedong wanted
to bring Chinese agriculture as their identification
of the Chinese primordial self. That primordial self
in Japan was aestheticized by woodblock prints in Japan.
L: The primordial self is unchanging and also pure.
In the woodblock prints, the rice paddies are shown
without the sweat and manure. Rice in this way is shown
to be pristine?
OT: Yes, that’s right.
L: Could you explain the Japanese notion of soul in
relation to rice?
OT: Rice is the locus for the deities—and
that’s how the mythology and deities build up
the importance and sacredness of rice. And later on
with the Confucian ideology--you cannot waste even a
single grain of rice. The grain is the locus of the
soul of the rice [plant]. Interesting part about rice
is that the deities are supposed to have both aspects
of the aratama [violent power] and the nigitama [peaceful/positive
power]. But in the case of rice, it has only the nigitama.
As for aratama, it is assigned to such things as flooding,
and other deities.
L: And is the rice deity referred to as the ear of
the rice plant and not the grain?
OT: The term used is mizuho—the ear—water
[succulent] heads of rice. But, the grain is important.
L: And is the grain the soul?
OT: Yes, that’s right.
L: The soul is alive, is that right? It departs like
the human soul?
OT: Yes—in the ancient idea about the
soul, after death it departs from the body. There have
been rituals to bring the soul back into the body.
L: You have also written about commensality between
deities and humans. Could you tell us about the significance
of harvest rituals?
OT: The harvest rituals involve repayment,
in other words, a return gift to the deities. So you
multiply the original seeds and then—it’s
almost like you earn interest or a kind of investment—you
return [and repay] the deities by eating together with
the deities and humans, and then among humans.
L: So, getting back to the rice again—considering
the kind of rice that the Japanese now think as Japanese—domestic
short-grained rice [japonica type], in fact, it was
a foreign import brought back from somewhere in Asia.
OT: Exactly, the Japanese had to come up with
the mythology of rice—that rice was grown in the
Japanese heaven—precisely because the rice was
imported matter.
L: As you pointed out earlier, it is important to note
that rice was not a prevalent food for the masses and
it was only for the elite.
OT: Yes, absolutely. All the rest was called
sakkoku [miscellaneous grains]. And only rice was singled
out.
L: And the rice was singled out for rituals, was it
not?
OT: Upper class ate rice in their daily lives--but
rice was really a ritual food for others.
L: And so considering all that, do you think that to
the average Japanese consumer, whether the rice is homegrown
or imported from California, matters to them? You had
written about the GATT issue in 1993 between Japan and
the U.S. [1995]—do you think these trade issues
are important to the consumer now? Is there a distinction
made between Japanese and U.S. rice?
OT: Rice purchase in Japan is an intriguing
affair in that most households have their own grocers.
And it is the responsibility of the grocers to deliver
the best rice to the households.
L: So it becomes the grocer’s rather than the
consumer's decision.
OT: Yes, that’s right.
L: Would this apply to farmers, to everyone?
OT: I don’t know but for sure in urban
areas. After Hosokawa [former Prime Minister of Japan]
decided to import rice, suddenly the government went
through all kinds of interesting experiments. They showed
them on television—without telling the testers
[school childres] which rice was from California and
which one was grown in Japan. It was meant to show that
they couldn’t make distinctions. But, before the
government decided to import rice, it was interesting
that housewives started writing to the Japanese newspapers
to point out that California rice does not purify the
Japanese air. And the California rice is contaminated
with chemicals. In fact, Japanese rice is contaminated
with chemicals.
So the purity/impurity principle is applied
to rice. They reported they found mice in the Chinese
rice and this and that. So the consumers were unwittingly
cooperating with the government. On the other hand,
other rice [imported rice] had been used for such things
as rice cakes and rice crackers. I tried to eat at different
kinds of restaurants, including lower-class restaurants,
and obviously all kinds of rice were used.
L: Can you distinguish between homegrown Japanese rice
and California rice?
OT: Not California rice but I can distinguish
between old rice and new rice. Old rice is much drier.
But I’m not that fussy so I cannot be the best
judge.
L: In consideration of what we have discussed—this
notion of Japanese uniqueness—being distinct—does
that apply here? Is the rice issue important to the
average consumer and to government agencies?
OT: It’s only when there is an external
pressure, as in the case of California rice. So we have
to consider when the other presses the Japanese. That’s
the time nationalism comes out. Yes—just like
in the States—right after 9/11—
L: What about the younger generation?
OT: As far the younger generation, their tastes
have changed so much—they use garlic as extensively
as the Koreans do. And they love Kim chi and meat.
L: Do you think the younger generation is as concerned
about the quality of rice?
OT: I don’t think they are—much.
L: Also, talking about the aesthetics of rice, as expressed
in Japanese poems, essays, and works of art such as
woodblock prints—I’ve brought some examples
here—
OT: This is not articulated in the minds of
the people but if you look at the brands [referring
to rice brands], they label their products as sasanishiki
and koshihikari [Japanese rice cultivars]. Those brand
names capitalize on the luster and aesthetics of rice.
And then a literary figure like Tanizaki would describe
the rice “like pearls in the dark [black lacquer].”
L: Rice is described in literature as you said to have
luster—and it perhaps refers back to when rice
was used as currency before coins and in this way rice
is also described to have a golden luster.
OT: Yes, and gold was used for assess the daimyo—
the feudal lord’s—territory and the golden
waves of rice, that is, [measured by] how many koku
[about 5 bushels], that’s the yield of rice. And
in the fall there were golden waves of rice in a daimyo’s
territory, referring to rice plants. Money actually
in every society starts with a religious meaning. [Juno]
Moneta is the temple where coins were minted in Greece
[where the word money originates]. In the West as well,
money is sacred.
L: Yet, money itself in Japan is not considered clean
and especially in the case of the metallic currency
that was first introduced.
OT: Yes, it took a long time to change to coin
currency. And it went back to rice at one time. Currency
itself, when it became secularized, acquired an ambivalent
value. On the one hand, [it was considered] in terms
of the economic value of the time. On the other hand,
in the day-to-day Japanese notion, to be greedy was
bad, and capitalism was bad, and money was handled by
anybody—you always had to wash your hands after
handling money.
L: For example, when you receive or give a gift of
money in Japan, you always put it in an envelope.
OT: It also has to be a non-circulated bill,
so you can’t give a person a used bill as a gift.
And you have to give the money in a certain kind of
envelope.
L: In talking about the aesthetics of rice, you described
particular woodblock prints [Hokusai and Hiroshige prints.
In the prints, what do you see as significant features
referring to rice and rice agriculture?
OT: At the time of these woodblock prints,
Edo was the urban center. For example—the 53 Tôkaidô
stations—people were always paying homage to Edo.
But along the way, what they were depicting was an unchanging
Japan, symbolized by cherry blossoms, rice paddies,
Mount Fuji, and the travelers going to Edo and back
in the unchanging part of Japan.
L: And the travelers themselves were in a kind of liminal
space?
OT: Yes, that’s right.
L: You have mentioned that, in the scenes of rice paddies—the
rice paddies are always portrayed as pristine and pure.
OT: Yes—agriculture is often displayed
in nationalism for the identity of self—without
manure, without sweat, without taxation.
L: What was the significance of the rice sheaf itself?
OT: The significance of the ear of the rice
plant.
NL: Are there any other foods as significant as rice
in Japan?
OT: Depends upon how significant—for
example, rice is above everything else—it is the
only food that is shared. Commensality is very important.
And even today, in Japanese households, people have
their own rice bowls and the dishes are not shared but
rice is shared. It always comes [from a single container]
and then the head of the household—that is, the
woman of the house would scoop and serve the rice [with
a spatula].
Fish is important, sea bream is the fish for
celebration—but there is nothing comparable to
rice. McDonald’s became very prosperous but it
is always considered to be a snack.
Next: Concept
of Nature and what is Natural in Japanese Foods
|